+ As I roved out one May Morning: themognet: curieousdreamer: eskiwen: I’m just putting my head in here,...
I’m just putting my head in here, but this is entirely why I’ve mostly given up on bleach fandom, particularly the IR side. The OMG IT’S A DEBATE excuse has always rung false, simply because a debate is not an unbridled mocking session where you call one side an idiot for expressing their opinion.
Remember that 9 page long “essay” mocking me for pointing out that IchiHimes are people too? lol yeah.
Wow, Crystal Dawn, you really have no decency at all.
If you consider my essay “mocking”, I wonder how you’ll react now that I’m actually mocking you. Nice touch on putting essay in quotes, by the way - that certainly wasn’t mocking at all. Oddly enough, to my face, you tried to play nice, saying my essay was “very well put together” from what you’d bothered to read. Weird how you’ve changed your tune since then. Then again, you also totally mischaracterize both of our essays, so I imagine time hasn’t been good to your memory.
I know that I wasted effort giving you the benefit of the doubt and treating you like you were a reasonable, intelligent person who was open to legitimate discussion, rather than as someone who just wanted to become an IchiOri BNF overnight and be endlessly praised by sycophants. Don’t worry, I won’t make that mistake again.
I’m not going to repeat here why your essay, “You Don’t Know IchiHime Shippers, Vol 1”, was full of racism; sexism; bashing of Rukia, IchiRukis, and UlquiOris; and pure bullshit that you invented because I already did that. I’ll repeat a few highlights from your “essay” though:
“Eastern, moreso Japanese, standards have always, and everyone who reads manga can back me up on this, tended to favour more feminine, subdued and gentle women.”
“Just as how Ichigo and Rukia are perfectly tailored for young Western audience, Ichigo and Orihime pretty much encapsulate all the standards of an ideal Eastern/Japanese couple. He’s brash and strong and valiant and she’s gentle and calm, brave without being a threat but strong enough to support him.”
“The traits Rukia is generally revered for in fandom are those that are regarded as good traits for a Western (in particular, American) woman: self-reliance, hard work, an aggressive personality, and an emphasis on reliability and strength over gentleness or good looks.”
“When [Orihime] talks to Ichigo for the first time in canon, she’s been actively engaged in shopping for dinner - a typical duty of a frugal wife.”
“We as Westerners (and Americans in particular) are raised to value the relation of family and spouse as the only relationships that are really ‘worth’ much. Friendships don’t count for much around here outside of grade school, and people who value friendships are generally seen as hokey and lame.”
“Feminism is loving and celebrating every woman, regardless of how girly, weak, or inferior we think she is. Regardless of how misogynist we may think she is. She is a woman, therefore she is ‘good enough’.”
“Yes, American feminists see the Japanese as being hopelessly sexist as a society - this is even occasionally a hot topic on feminist communities.”
“But there’s also the same undertone with RenRuki as there is with IchiHime - that of a man challenging a protector figure (in both the cases of Orihime and Rukia, it’s a big brother figure; with Orihime, it moves on to being Grimmjow, Ulquiorra, and ultimately Aizen) for the right to court his girl of choice.”
It’s funny that you never really replied to my essay. In fact, you said you were much too busy to read all of it, although you had plenty of time to respond to the IchiOris who gushed over how amazing and wonderful you were. It’s obviously contradictory to say my essay was “mocking” when you claimed not to have read most of it, but I suppose that just demonstrates typical IchiOri logic in action.
You also claimed that you had no duty to respond to me, which is true but a pathetically weak excuse given that you personally started wank and appeared thrilled at the idea of an IchiRuki replying to you. But after I did reply, you suddenly claimed that IchiRukis weren’t the target audience of your essay. Here’s a tip: when you title an essay “You Don’t Know IchiHime Shippers,” it makes readers think that you’re directing it to IchiRukis and UlquiOris. Also, when someone says, “I’m eagerly waiting for the responses. *cough*” and you reply, “I AM SURE THEY ARE A COMIN’.”, it makes one think you’re - wait for it - expecting a response from IchiRukis.
TL;DR: You wrote an “essay” challenging IchiRukis. I challenged you right back, pointing out the weaknesses and fallacies of your post. Instead of engaging in a discussion like an adult, you blew off my points, went back to entertaining all the people who mindlessly agreed with you and praised you, and apparently convinced yourself I was just a mean troll whose sole goal was to mock you.
While we’re down this trip on Bleach fandom memory lane, let’s remember some other fun times you’ve been involved in:
1. Remember those times you posted to Fandom_Wank and Wank_Report, both anonymously and as the user “Schoenschoen”, about the evil awful IchiRukis, Debbie, Yulieana, and so forth, deliberately fabricating drama while ignoring the wanky things that IchiOris did, until the communities finally got sick of your grudgewank and basically told you to fuck off?
2. Remember how you were (and probably still are) active on TVTropes, and how you altered articles to describe IchiRuki as the “straight Will and Grace,” to bolster IchiOri, to castigate IchiRukis as awful, terrible people while describing IchiOris as innocent little darlings who just want to ship in peace… and then you point to TVTropes as “proof” of Bleach fandom and end-game pairings, conveniently leaving out your responsibility for said articles?
3. Remember that time when you made a sock puppet account on Bleach Asylum named “Fancy Lala”, claiming to be a lesbian who didn’t ship IchiOri but instead shipped RukiOri? And remember how you deliberately made “Fancy Lala” appear dumber than dumb, to try to convince everyone it wasn’t you, with exclamation! marks! everywhere!? This is despite your numerous claims on Livejournal (in your own LJ and Capslock_Bleach) that BA was a place you never intended on visiting and implying that everyone on it was dumb?
It’s amazing to me how much of a deliberately hypocritical, vile person you are. I’m no angel, but I also don’t claim to be an innocent victim, like you and your IchiOri friends constantly do. I’ve never manipulated websites in order to stir up wank. I don’t post about IchiOris’ personal lives just to mock them, and neither do my friends. All of this shit, however, you personally do, and you are supported in it and encouraged by your fellow IchiOris.
As for eskiwen and hoistmainsails whining about how mean my essay was to poor Crystal Dawn… lol. Apparently “criticism” to IchiOris means that one has to agree with everything they write and say, and kiss up to them because their poor delicate feelings can’t handle being challenged. I was obviously being a dick because I didn’t accept Crystal Dawn’s bullshit and had the audacity to prove her wrong.
IchiOris embrace the dumbing down of fandom so they can feel personally validated; they also embrace bashing, wanking, and trolling others while making themselves out to be innocent little victims.
IchiOris dish shit out all the time, making personal attacks and acting superior, but when someone calls them out on their horrible behavior, they go crying off to anyone who’ll listen about how they’re truly the ones being attacked.
I will reblog this forever.